Ovni en forme de yoyo dégageant de la fumée avant son décollage
Investigation de Yann Vadnais
Interview de Pierre Asselin, journaliste au quotidien Le Soleil
Transcription par Julie Bélanger et Yann Vadnais
Infographie par Benoit Brouillette
En guise d’introduction, voici une citation de la revue AFFA (de Jean Casault, 1969, no. ?, p.12) concernant un cas semblable de la même localité, mais datant de trois ans plus tard :
Interview avec Mme B., en 2010
Québec, Juillet 1966
Madame B. : J’ai regardé attentivement. J’ai vu [l’ovni], c’était comme un gros yoyo. Puis là, je me suis dit…
Pierre Asselin : Oui, décrivez ce que vous voyiez.
Madame B. : Bien la forme d’un yoyo exactement. Comment dirais-je ? Une forme, pas un ovale, mais un ovale arrondi, plus arrondi des deux bords mettons.
Pierre Asselin : Comme un « beigne mais sans trou au milieu » ?
Madame B. : Oui, oui, absolument vu que je le voyais de côté s’élever, [mais] je ne pouvais pas voir s’il y avait un trou ou pas de trou [transversal au centre de l’ovni]. Mais la forme de « beigne », ça a plus de bon sens.
Pierre Asselin : Vous le voyiez seulement de côté alors ?
Madame B. : Oui, de côté.
C’était le matin, ensoleillé, puis, en arrière de moi, il y avait l’est. Cette « affaire-là » [l’ovni] était éclairée évidemment, mais elle était plus lumineuse en dessous. C’était plus lumineux que la lumière du soleil autrement dit. C’était blanc-bleu très, très incandescent.
Aussi, il y avait comme une petite fumée gris[e]-noir[e] entre ça [l’ovni] et le sol pendant que ça [l’ovni s’é]levait. Alors moi, j’étais sur le terrain en face [du collège] de Mérici. [À cette époque,] ce n’était pas [des terrains] tout en blocs des appartements de Mérici, de condos, il y avait juste le Collège de Mérici. Alors moi, qui avait été pensionnaire là, [durant] sept ou huit ans, je me disais : « Tiens [donc], c’est dans leur champ en avant ! ». Il y avait un grand champ entre ici [ce lieu] et le [boulevard] Grande-Allée.
Par contre, quand ça [l’ovni] a fait [produit] une petite fumée noire en dessous, c’était éclairé beaucoup, très, très, très vif en dessous.
Puis, à [un] moment donné, ça a arrêté. Il n’y avait plus de petite fumée, ni rien, et ça [l’ovni] a avait pris une certaine hauteur.
Là par exemple, d’un coup sec, ça s’est mis à évoluer en s’en allant vers l’ouest, ouest-nord.
Pierre Asselin : À l’horizontal ?
Madame B. : À l’horizontal cette fois-là.
Pierre Asselin : Ça s’est placé à l’horizontal.
Madame B. : Ça [l’ovni] avait monté doucement à la verticale, pendant peut-être bien deux secondes. Vous comprenez que ça a de l’air d’être long tout ça, mais [l’événement s’est passé rapidement]…
À [un] moment donné, ça [l’ovni] a arrêté de monter et il n’y avait plus de fumée en dessous. Et puis, il me semble qu’il y avait… — je ne sais plus s’il y avait encore de l’éclairage blanc en dessous, blanc vif.
Là, ça [l’événement de l’ovni] avait fini en rapetissant tellement vite que…
Il y avait des fils électriques qui passaient [dans mon champ de vision], alors c’était [= l’ovni se situait] entre le dernier [fil] du bas et le suivant [au-dessus].[1]
Quand ça a filer [en s’éloignant] pour disparaître, ça restait comme au même point : ça rapetissait, ça rapetissait, ça rapetissait, alors je voyais ça filer [en s’éloignant].
Pierre Asselin : Ayoye ! Quelle couleur c’était ?
T : Bien c’était, attendez un petit peu…
Pierre Asselin : L’ovni avait-il l’air métallique ? C’était rond et clair ?
Madame B. : C’était sombre sur le dessus, comme je vous disais tantôt. Le dessus allant un peu vers les côtés, en suivant un peu l’arrondissement, mais pas beaucoup. C’était surtout en dessous [que c’était] plus vif, mais quand ça a parti à filer, ça a disparu [= après l’extinction de la fumée, la luminosité était moins importante, et ensuite cela s’est éloigné jusqu’à disparaître].
La luminosité, je ne sais plus s’il y en avait [au moment du décollage], parce que, comme ça rapetissait, je voyais moins bien. Puis, ça a fini par [n’]être complètement pu rien.
Pierre Asselin : Ah bon !
Madame B. : Et puis, là, bien j’avais un jeune bébé. J’ai appelé mon mari qui était en train de se faire la barbe. Je ne voulais pas laisser mon point d’observation, puis laisser le bébé pour aller dans la chambre de bain dire à mon mari de venir voir. J’avais peur de le perdre [de vue], alors je suis restée là, tout en disant de temps en temps à mon mari : « Viens, viens, viens ! ».
Puis la petite bonne [ménagère] que j’avais aussi [était là], mais elle n’était pas rendue dans la cuisine, donc elle n’est pas venu, moi j’étais dans la cuisine.
Puis je suis sûre que les gens qui ont [possèdent] la maison où on est maintenant, nos fils électriques étant à la même place que dans ce temps-là, je suis sûre qu’ils voudraient qu’on, si quelqu’un voulait aller voir, parce qu’il y a moyen quasiment de faire des petits calculs quand on se dit qu’on est à tant de pieds des fils électriques, puis on est à tant de pieds du sol[2]…
Pierre Asselin : Oui, avec la triangulation, on est capable d’évaluer les distances et les dimensions.
Madame B. : Quelqu’un qui fait un peu de mathématiques, je pense qu’il pourrait [reconstituer la trajectoire et la dimension approximatives de l’ovni]. Bien je me suis dit coudonc, ça m’avait intéressé beaucoup puis j’avais bien envie de prendre l’auto puis d’aller voir. Je me suis dit : « Si c’est dans le champ de Mérici, en avant, sûrement que l’herbe va être brûlée, ça doit paraître, il doit y avoir quelque chose. ».
Pierre Asselin : Ça a duré combien de temps en tout ?
Madame B. : Oh monsieur !… Une minute, une minute et demie… Compter ça [un tel événement], c’est difficile à évaluer. Ça montait, ça montait lentement, mais pas longtemps. Attendez un petit peu. Deux, trois minutes[3]. Deux, trois minutes, [le temps que dure] le montage [= l’ascension de l’ovni] puis [que] la petite fumée [s’échappe]… La petite fumée qui arrête [de s’échapper juste] avant que ça [l’ovni] prenne le bord de [en s’enfuyant] à l’horizontal. Je dirais deux minutes ou trois minutes peut-être, j’ai eu le temps d’appeler mon mari plusieurs fois.
Pierre Asselin : Quand vous avez appelé à l’aéroport, qu’est-ce qu’on vous a dit ?
Madame B. : Je me disais : « S’ils ont une observation eux autres ? ». Ils m’ont dit que personne d’autre ne leur avait signalé quelque chose, « … donc on va le prendre en note. ».
[Ensuite,] je me suis mise à chercher dans le quartier. Je me suis dit : « Les militaires, le musée de l’aviation, puis tout ça… peut-être aussi… ». Je les ai appelé, puis ils m’ont dit : « Oh, non, personne nous en a parlé. ». J’ai dit : « Notez-le quand même, des fois [que quelqu’un serait au courant]. ». Je ne sais pas s’ils l’ont noté ou quoi. C’est les deux « choses » [= organismes] que j’ai averti.
Pierre Asselin : Écoutez, si ça ne vous dérange pas, j’ai enregistré l’entrevue, car je fais souvent ça pour m’aider comme aide-mémoire…
Madame B. : Quoi l’entrevue, là, en ce moment ?…
Pierre Asselin : L’entrevue qu’on vient de faire là. Je ne vais pas écrire un article avec ça, mais j’enverrais votre témoignage aux gens qui récoltent ce genre de données.
Madame B. : Oui, c’est bon.
Pierre Asselin : Vous n’avez pas d’objection ?
Madame B. : Non.
Pierre Asselin : Au moins, comme ça, ça va rester. Il va rester des traces de votre observation.
Madame B. : Des fois, on peut se dire que c’est le fruit de l’imagination, mais moi je suis très sceptique pour toutes sortes de choses. Je ne suis pas portée à aller voir des films de fiction, d’extra-terrestres, puis tout ça. Je ne suis pas portée à suivre ce genre de films, non. J’ai d’autres domaines moi, mes intérêts. Quoique les reportages à propos des choses dans l’atmosphère, dans le cosmos, puis tout ça, je trouve ça très intéressant. Des scientifiques qui ont des réunions, puis qui font des découvertes, je trouve ça intéressant.
Pierre Asselin : Est-ce que cet événement vous a influencé par la suite ? Est-ce que votre opinion a évolué à ce sujet ?
Madame B. : Oui, j’ai peut-être été plus aux aguets, plus portée à observer si quelque chose a l’air un peu louche ou quoi.
Pierre Asselin : Oui, ah bon ! Bien c’était très intéressant, je suis bien content que quelqu’un m’ait appelé suite à mon article paru récemment.
Madame B. : Bien là, je suis une vieille madame. À ce moment-là, [en 1966,] j’avais comme quarante ans, maintenant j’en ai quatre-vingt.
[1] La témoin décrit ici où se situait l’ovni avant de déguerpir vers le nord-ouest.
[2] On peut voir ici toute la vivacité d’esprit de cette dame de 80 ans.
[3] Dans cette situation, les investigateurs disposent d’un exercice pour déterminer la durée, mais M. Asselin n’a pas appliqué lors de cette interview. Nous croyons que « 2-3 minutes » ne concordent pas avec le témoignage et que l’observation a sans doute duré moins de deux minutes.
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Reading this in my last reading slot of the day was a good way to end, and a stop at focusunlockspotential provided a satisfying close to the reading session, content that ends a day well rather than agitating it before sleep is the kind I value increasingly and this site fits that role for me consistently now.
Honestly this was the highlight of my reading queue today, and a look at growthmovesforward extended that across more pages I will return to, ranking what I read against what else I read each day is something I do informally and this site keeps moving up in those rankings the more I explore it.
Quietly impressive in a way that does not announce itself, and a stop at buildcleartraction extended that quiet impressiveness, the kind of quality that emerges through sustained attention rather than first impressions is the kind I trust more deeply and this site has been earning that deeper trust across multiple sessions over time consistently.
Just nice to read something that does not feel like it was assembled from a content brief, and a stop at actionwithstructure kept that handcrafted feel going, you can tell when a real human with real understanding is behind the words versus a templated piece churned out for an algorithm to find.
A piece that left me thinking I had been undercaring about the topic, and a look at forwardthinkingactivated reinforced that mild concern, content that raises the appropriate weight of a subject without being preachy about it is doing important work and this site is providing that gentle elevation of attention for me consistently.
Probably the kind of site that should be more widely read than it appears to be, and a look at visualvoyage reinforced that quiet wish, the gap between a sites quality and its apparent reach is sometimes large and that gap exists for this site in a way that makes me want to mention it more.
A particular kind of restraint shows up in the writing, and a look at oceanprestige maintained the same restraint across pages, knowing what not to say is just as important as knowing what to say and this site has clearly developed strong instincts on both sides of that editorial line throughout pieces I have read.
Glad to have another data point on a question I am still thinking through, and a look at ideasintoflow added two more, content that acknowledges its place in a wider conversation rather than pretending to settle the question alone is intellectually honest in a way that I wish was more common across the open web.
Saving this link for the next time someone asks me about this topic, and a look at clarityfuelsmotion expanded what I will be sharing with them, this is the kind of resource that makes a real difference when you are trying to point a friend to something useful and reliable rather than generic marketing pages.
Bookmark added with a small mental note that this is a site to keep, and a look at thinklessmovebetter reinforced the keep status, the verb keep rather than visit captures something about how I think about this kind of site and it is a higher tier of relationship than I have with most places online today.
Now understanding why someone recommended this site to me a while back, and a stop at ideaswithimpact explained the recommendation, sometimes recommendations make sense only after experience and this site has finally clicked into place as the kind of resource I now understand was being recommended for sound editorial reasons by my friend.
Thanks again for the post, I learned a couple of things I can actually use later this week, and after I went over actioncreatesflowstate the rest of the site looked equally promising, definitely going to spend more time here when I get a free moment over the weekend to read more carefully.
Liked the way the post got out of its own way, and a stop at actionwithclarityfirst extended that invisible craft, the best writing you barely notice while reading because it is doing its work without drawing attention to itself and this site has clearly mastered that disappearing act across the pieces I have read.
Honest reaction is that this is the kind of writing I would defend in a conversation about good blog content, and a look at growthneedssignal reinforced that, the rare site whose work I would actively recommend rather than just tolerate is the kind I want to support through return visits regularly.
Came back to this twice now in the same week which is unusual for me, and a look at growthmoveswithfocus suggested I will keep coming back, the kind of post that earns repeated visits rather than one and done reading is the gold standard for content quality and this site clearly hit that standard.
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Reading this prompted me to subscribe to my first newsletter in months, and a stop at directionanchorsgrowth confirmed the subscribe was the right call, content that earns a newsletter signup is content that has cleared a higher trust bar than a casual visit and this site has clearly earned that level of commitment from me.
Reading this in pieces during a long afternoon and finding it consistently rewarding, and a stop at visionguidesmotion fit naturally into the same fragmented reading pattern, sites whose posts can be read in segments without losing the thread are well suited to how I actually read these days and this one is built well.
Reading this gave me a small framework I expect to use going forward, and a stop at visionguidesmotion extended that framework, content that produces transferable mental models rather than just specific facts is content with multiplicative value and this site is providing those models at a rate that justifies extra attention from me regularly.
Took my time with this rather than rushing because the writing rewards attention, and after happyfamilia I had even more to absorb, the kind of content that pays back the patient reader rather than punishing them with empty filler is something I look for and rarely find in regular searches lately.
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Thanks for keeping the writing direct without losing the warmth that makes content feel human, and a stop at strategyandclarity carried both qualities forward, balancing professionalism and personality is a rare skill and the writers here have clearly figured out how to consistently land it across many posts which I notice.
My professional context would benefit from having this kind of resource available, and a look at focusdrivesexecution extended the professional applicability, the rare site that contributes meaningfully to professional work rather than just personal interest is content with multiplied value and this one is providing that professional utility consistently across multiple pieces.
Took me back a step or two on an assumption I had been making, and a stop at growthwithoutnoise pushed that reconsideration further, writing that gently corrects the reader without being aggressive about it is a rare diplomatic skill and the team here clearly knows how to land critical points without turning readers off.
Took a few notes from this post, the points are easy to remember without needing to come back and check, and a look at claritymeetsaction added a couple more, the kind of place that sticks in the memory long after the browser tab has been closed for the day which says a lot really.
Felt the post had been written without using a single buzzword, and a look at claritydrivenmoves continued that clean vocabulary, content free of jargon and trendy phrases reads better and ages better and this site has clearly committed to a vocabulary that will not feel dated in three years which is impressive editorially.
Worth recommending broadly to anyone who reads on the topic, and a look at motioncreatesresults only confirms that, the rare combination of accessibility and depth in this site makes it suitable for both newcomers and people who already know the area which is hard to pull off in any blog format today and rarely managed.
Now noticing that the post never raised its voice even when making a strong point, and a look at momentumbychoice continued that calm volume, content that can make important points without resorting to typographic emphasis or emotional appeal is content that trusts its substance to do the work and this site has that confidence consistently.
However measured this site clears the bar I set for sites I take seriously, and a stop at actionunlocksclarity continued clearing that bar, the metrics I use for site quality are admittedly informal but they are consistent and this site has cleared them on multiple measurements across multiple visits which is meaningful for my evaluation.
Picked this up while looking for something else and ended up reading every paragraph because it was actually informative, and after intentionalprogresspath I was sure I would come back, that does not happen often when most sites bury the useful parts under endless ads and pop ups today and across most categories online.
Thanks for taking the time to write this, it is clear that some thought went into how each point would land, and after I went through progresswithforwardintent I had a better grip on the topic, real value without the usual marketing noise people have to put up with online when searching for answers.
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